Mieczysław Wolski (1892)

[Arek_Bereza]

Look at that via google translator
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 6NT9XH5_O6
It was arrest for debts ie

[Wolski_M92]

Thank you all! That's interesting. I read the English summary in that PDF. Any idea how long people got arrested for debts? What other reasons could mean a civil custody?

[Wolski_M92]

Could someone please answer me a few questions concerning the following marriage act?
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... an=400.jpg

That's the marriage between Mikołaj Piątkowski and Marjanna Wolska in 1924 in Warszawa.

1. Are the parents of Mikołaj Piątkowski dead?
2. Was Mikołaj Piątkowski born in Moscow ("w Moskowie") or am I reading it wrong?
3. What is the name of the street where Mikołaj and Marjanna where living? I can only read the house number 5190.
4. Where Marjanna's parents Romuald and Kazimiera Józefa living in Czeladź (Powiat Będzin) or Warszawa? I think it's Czeladź.
5. Was Romuald Wolski a lawyer?

Last question: Does anyone know where I can search for birth records in Warszawa around 1924/25+? In the internet I can only find birth records until 1918. I searched the death records of 4 churches in Warszawa between 1924 and 1945 and couldn't find any child of the above mentioned couple nor their death.

[Krystyna.waw]

1. yes
2. probably, hard to decipher
3. living together before marriage is the sin
4. in Czeladź
4a. Piatkowscy: Warsaw, Twarda street. 5190 is the mortage number, not building.
https://www.srodmiescie.warszawa.pl/ulica-340.html
Go to
http://mapa.um.warszawa.pl/mapaApp1/map ... istoryczna
- rectangle on the map - nazwa, write Twarda, click
- down Twarda 1 - click
- right upper corner "zdjecia" - 1936
- Twarda 1 - click
- small numbers are mortage number. Look for 5190
5. Groom is the clerk in the bank, his father akrobata? I can't decipher

[Wolski_M92]

Hi Krystyna,

thank you for the link to the map. I found the house. It was destroyed during WW2 and later removed. I believe the couple was not living in Warszawa at wartime (didn't find death records of them or of possible children in Warszawa).

3. Yes it's a sin but nevertheless they lived in the same house. The address was the same as you can see in the document. Maybe they had separate appartments in that house.

5. No I don't think that Romuald Wolski (father of the bride) was an akrobat. He was an "adwokat".

[Krystyna.waw]

Adwokat of course. My mistake but they behave like acrobats so often...

I believe the couple was not living in Warszawa at wartime (didn't find death records of them or of possible children in Warszawa)

Maybe you are right but...
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbrodnie_ ... arszawskim

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmentarz_ ... w_Warszawy
About 100 000 people, most of them "no name"...

[Wolski_M92]

I searched in these churches:

Warszawa-Śródmieście - Wszystkich Świętych (1924-1936)
Warszawa-Leszno - Narodzenia NMP (1924-1945)
Warszawa-Mokotów - Św. Michała Archanioła (1924-1945)
Warszawa-Muranów - Św. Augustyna (1924-1936)
Warszawa-Wola - św. Stanisława (1924-1942)
Warszawa-Wilanow - Św. Anny (1924-1934 .. stopped searching here, senseless)

I thought if they got some children in Warszaw then maybe as so often in those times one could have died. But no, I didn't find anything. But these were only death records. The best thing would be to search the birth records but there are no birth records after 1918 available. Does anyone know where I can find them?

I hope they left Warszaw before these tragic events and had another fate. Is it possible to have a look at the names of the identified victims?

[Krystyna.waw]

Mikołaj Piątkowski and Marjanna Wolska married in 1924
In 2024 birth acts will be open for everybody.
Today only close family has access

[Wolski_M92]

Yes, I was already concerned that birth records are only accessable after 100 years. So in 2024 I can officially see births until 1924. That's bad. What is close family? Marjanna Wolska is a sister of my great grand father. Is there also a blocking period for death records?

[Krystyna.waw]

Is there also a blocking period for death records?

Yes, 80 years
Close family = zstępni = descendants in the direct line, grandfather, grandgrand but not his sister or brother
Younger then 100 yrs acts family will find in Urząd Stanu Cywilnego and/or in the parish not in the archive.

[Wolski_M92]

Ok, thank you.

[Wolski_M92]

Can someone please help me reading the follwing marriage act (no. 39)?
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.ph ... 2021&y=254

Gottlieb Schmitke (priest writes the name as “Szmyt”) married Luise Klatt in Mariampol near Aleksandrów Łódzki. I have difficulties to read the birth places of Gottlieb Schmitke and Luise Klatt. I think the birth place of Gottlieb Schmitke is Holendry Skarżyn near Kalisz. Do you read the same? The birth place of Luise Klatt is also a "Holendry" but what is the other word?

And there is another place in this certificate that you can find three times there, called "B..... Huta". I can only read the second word "Hucie" so it must be "Huta". But what is the word starting with B?

[Krystyna.waw]

I asked here:
https://genealodzy.pl/forum-genealogicz ... 4620.phtml

[Wolski_M92]

Thank you Krystyna. I received an answer.

[Krystyna.waw]

Super.
I drugie super, że już wiesz, jak się poruszać po forum
Wątek o miejscowościach znasz.

Jeszcze ten może ci się przydać w przyszłości: odcyfrowanie metryki po polsku
https://genealodzy.pl/forum-genealogicz ... 4688.phtml