Bronislawa Cholewa -- born 1885 -- Immigrant to USA

[Krystyna.waw]

Bronislawa Cholewa immigrated to America and married John Rainis. She died in 1944 in New York state

1. Have you their marriage act?
2. Do you know when their first (oldest) child was born?

I have checked with the National Archives and they said citizenship forms can -- or cannot have - the hometowns

Give yourself a chance Wait for this document
Have you any document connected to her naturalization / citizenship?

Is there a way I can attach some documents to send to you?

No.
Downolad your documents to any cloud, for example dropbox.com, google.com/drive or zapodaj.net
After that give us (forum users) the link to them

[lee_9876]

Hi!
Hi!

Site at end of this message: My daughter came over and decided this was the easiest way for her to load the attachments.

US Censuses: I am sending the only one where it is noted she came from "Galica". I have others that just say "Poland" if you want them.

Passenger lists: Attached are the ones for Bronislawa Holewa/Cholewas from 'Galica". Two have birthdates in 1892 while the other is marked "probably" for its birthdate would be 1884. Her tombstone has 1886.

Bart Holewa: He is also from 'Galica" and I am wondering if he might be a relative.

Marriage records: Still cannot find. I called the county genealogical society in their hometown. She suggested an index on ancestry.com but no matter how I spelled the names, I could not get it to come up.

You are so very patient with me and I am most appreciative!

Thank you so very much!

Fran

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

[Krystyna.waw]

Passenger lists: Attached are the ones for Bronislawa Holewa/Cholewas from 'Galica"

Not only Galicia. I see the city name: Rabka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabka-Zdr%C3%B3j

[lee_9876]

Census: It is a great find, isn't it? I have been researching using US censuses since the early 1990s. I have only seen the country of immigration on censuses -- never once the hometown! So to me, this is just amazing!

Passenger/immigration list: Do you think it is as good a match as I do? There are a number with the same name but the birth year is 1892 or she came over much later than 1913 when we know their first child was born.

More censuses/photos: Do you want more censuses/city directories which show where they lived in NY? Please let me know and I will be get our daughter to load them.

The granddaughters are working on getting the best photos they can. As soon as they get them scanned and sent to me, I will get them to you.

May I ask: Are you related to Bronislawa Cholewa? Whether you are related, or just being terribly kind and helpful, we are simply delighted to have "met" you!

You have helped us get farther than we ever have! Thanks SO much!!

Fran

[Grazyna_Gabi]

Fran,
Zdjecia ktore zalaczyles niczego nie wyjasniaja sa to listy pasazerskie ktore juz wczesniej zostaly odszukane
i w poprzednich postach zalaczone.
Mamy cztery Bronislawy Cholewa jedna z nich moze byc Twoja.
Jesli chcesz miec te wlasciwa, Twoja, musisz postarac sie o akt malzenstwa !!!
Mieli duzo dzieci wiec moze jeszcze zyja najstarsi czlonkowie tej rodziny trzeba ich przepytac
moze pamietaja jakies szczegoly.
Galicja to duzy obszar, zylo tam sporo, moze nawet tysiace osob o nazwisku Cholewa.
Oto Galicja:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)
Polska w porownianiu z USA to maly kraj ale to nie znaczy, ze latwo jest odnalezc i ustalic
osobe ktorej poszukujemy.

Z aktu malzenstwa dowiemy sie:
- daty zawarcia slubu,
- imion rodzicow,
- wieku,
- moze cos wiecej ...
Czekamy na akt malzenstwa.

Pozdrawiam
Grazyna

[lee_9876]

Grazyna,

As always, many thanks!

Next week I will try hard to find a marriage record. It has not come up on ancestry.com. Of course, ancestry contains only what has been submitted to it and while it has many records, it does not have them all.

Of course, you may already know this, in the US, unless someone has collected all the county marriage records to form a state-wide compilation, they are kept in the county courthouse.

So, one would have to check the records for every courthouse, county by county.

New York state's marriage records are compiled and on ancestry.com. I have checked every spelling variation I can find and cannot find John and Bronislawa.

I will see if I can figure out more variations for "Rainis" and also check nearby states next week. I can ask if any of the granddaughter's extended family have any idea where else they might have lived but, in the past, they have told me they know of no one who knows anything.

Will get back as soon as I have more to report.

Your time and efforts to help are SO appreciated!!

Fran

[Grazyna_Gabi]

Fran,
Nie wiem dokladnie jak jest w USA ale sadze, ze na ancestry umieszczane sa akty malzenstwa
z urzedow panstwowych czyli odpowiednikow polskich Urzedow Stanow Cywilnych.
Bronislawa pochodzila z Polski i prawdopodobnie byla wyznania katolickiego a wiec zapewne
chciala miec slub katolicki. Znasz miejsce urodzenia pierwszego dziecka, szukaj w tym
rejonie parafii katolickich moze nawet polskich parafii. Jesli wzieli slub w kosciele katolickim
to tam tez bedzie spisany akt malzenstwa.

Powodzenia
Grazyna

[lee_9876]

Hi!

I FINALLY got the papers I sent for from the US National Archives. The information I have for Bronislawa Cholewa Rajnes is:

Born: January 6, 1885 in Rapko, Poland

Immigrated to US: Dec. 15, 1911 in New York, New York

Married: January 9, 1911 in Binghamton, NY to John Rainis

Problem with dates: This may be a typo.

The marriage date is Jan 1911 in NY and then it says she entered the US in Dec. 1911. I will try to check this out again on ancestry.com. In the past, I have been unable to come up with anything that was definite. I could find Polish Bronislawa Cholewas who immigrated but just not sure which, if any, were ours.

If you can help me locate who her parents were, or direct me to another source that could, I will be SO appreciative!

With MANY thanks for your time, help and kindness ~~

Fran Barker

[Augustynowicz_Karolina]

If your Bronislawa was born in Rabka (I assume it's Rabka because there's no town in Poland by the name of Rapko), then she's the one who emigrated to the United States on July 12, 1905:

https://www.myheritage.com/research/rec ... =651492661

Bronislawa Cholewa
Gender Female
Birth Circa 1884
Arrival July 12 1905
New York, New York, United States
Departure Bremen
Ship Friedrich Der Grosse
Age 21
Last permanent residence Rabka, Galina
Nationality Austria
Marital status Single
Relative joined in the U.S. Franciszek Kubinski (Brother In Law)
Line 25

I mean, even the 1930 Census data says she emigrated in 1905, so no clue where they got that 1911 date.

[Grazyna_Gabi]

Fran,
Tu jest chyba Twoja Bronislawa, jedyna ktora jako tako pasuje do tego co wiesz.
Cholewa, Bronislawa Rabka, Galina 21 1883-1884 1905
manifest, poz. 25.
https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ ... cGciOw==/1
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JFHL-HNT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7H7-47G
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVNQ-DC2L
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... AWQ6X-DJMM
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Bronisl ... s/10734487
Bronislawa emigruje w 1905 roku, ma lat 21 (czyli urodzona ok. 1883/84) z Rabki.
Parafia byla w Rabce, problem w tym, ze nie wiem gdzie sa metryki.
Daty urodzin sa bledne w kazdym dokumencie inne.


SPISKOPII KSIĄG METRYKALNYCHARCHIDIECEZJI KRAKOWSKIEJ(i innych diecezji)przechowywanych w Archiwum Kurii Metropolitalnejw Krakowie i aktualnie udostępnianych.
Kopie metryk parafii RABKA URODZENIA I CHRZTY Lata: 1815-18201823-18261828-18371839 -1842 1845 -1853 1870 -1881 1883 -1884 ŚLUBY Lata: 1815 -18201823-18261828 -18371839 -18421845 -18531870 -18791883 -18841888 -1889 ZGONY Lata: 1815 -18201823-18261828 -18371839 -18421845 -18531870 -18771883 -18841888
Brak metryk online sa w tym archiwum
https://archiwum.diecezja.pl/informacje-o-zasobie/
W archiwum brak urodzen dla roku 1885, 1886 i dalej.

Dziwne, ze w akcie slubu nie podala imion rodzicow.

Pozdrawiam
Grazyna

[lee_9876]

Thank you SO very much for the reply! There must be something wrong on my end -- probably I am not "clicking something"! -- for I did not get an email notice there was a forum reply as I did when I first started. I assumed I had not gotten any!

We are most appreciative and thank you so very, very much for the immigration/ship paper. That does seem to be her!

The research notes you are so kind to send come through in English but your personal notes are still in Polish even though I click the "translation" icon. I will try to see if I can get one of my adult children to help me! I am sure I am missing some good info and search guidance.

I just checked and my US Citizenship and Immigration Services search for Bronislawa Holewa Rainis is still active but I do not have the results yet. As soon as I get a reply, I will get back to you.

Again, many, many thanks for your prompt reply, your generous time and assistance in this research and for your patience as I try to navigate this. You are more than kind and I am more than appreciative.

Fran Barker

[Krystyna.waw]

Grażyna wrote that they have not 1885 births in archive ;(
https://archiwum.diecezja.pl/wp-content ... tualny.pdf
This church book (not only this one) was probably lost/destroyed/fired/...

[lee_9876]

Thank you for giving us this information. I have run into a few US courthouses burning down, etc. Unfortunately, it just happens.

As soon as I get the US CIS report -- and I am hoping they will find files of some kind -- I will send it to you.

We are hoping there will be a photo of Bronislawa on one of the documents as there was of her husband on one of his.

I am not sure how to attach documents to this forum. Perhaps, if there is not, I can just email them to you directly.

Again, thank you SO very, very much! You are helping us SO MUCH!!

Fran Barker

[Krystyna.waw]

I wrote you in June:
Downolad your documents to any cloud, for example dropbox.com, google.com/drive or zapodaj.net
After that give us (forum users) the link to them

[lee_9876]

Krystyna,

As soon as I get the US CIS (US Citizen and Immigration Service) papers for Bronislawa, I will load them on google iCloud so you can access them.

I had hoped Bronislawa's papers would have come through by now. I look for them every day!

Whenever they come, I will try to get them to you that day.

Thank you SO much for all your help and interest!

Fran