Where can I search for these documents?

[polaco54]

Hello, I'm trying to find the originals of the two documents I link below. I already asked to the Polish State Archives -with the help of a researcher- without any positive result. Maybe some other online collections where I can lookup? Can you tell me what is the first document about? Is this a military document? I don't know what category to choose in sites like FamilySearch.
I need to find the originals because I don' believe those copies will be considered in the Citizenship Confirmation process.
Thanks..

First document
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12cqXUY ... share_link

Second document
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rggqTi ... sp=sharing

[swigut]

It is a bit unclear to me: Are you in possession of these documents? if so you are good to go I think; Or all you have are the photos and trying to find the physical documents? If so they are likely coming from your family or maybe some archives in Argentina then. Both documents would be issued to the person as proof. So there would be no originals other than that document and a record of document being issued would be kept.

The first document appears to be proof of registration for military service at Polish consulate in Buenos Aires. I think what you have is the original - if you are in possession of the document. I would be surprised if draft lists survived - if so I would actually ask Polish consulate. This is good as it demonstrates the allegiance to the Polish state at that time at least.

The second document appears to be issued by a medical doctor as a proof of health for travel and immigration purpose - it is very unlikely doctor's record would survive that long.The form is from a French maritime transport company SGTM which went defunct in 1974. I do not know if they kept records. Again if you have the document - this is the actual original.

Tomek

[Pobłocka_Elżbieta]

wieś Korsów ,to parafia Leszniów katol.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... d%3A375232

Roman Catholic Church. Leszniów (Brody)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... %20Library

Ojciec Adama:
Ludwik Howorka ur.14.08.1880 roku Korsów parafia Leszniów wyznanie rzymsko-katolickie
rodzice: numer domu Korsow 64
ojciec Antoni Howorka rodz.Jan Howorka ,Agafia Wołczuk
matka :Maria Wołczuk rodz.Onufry Wołczuk,Maria Bordulak
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=240926

Antoni Marceli Howorka ur.15.01.1894r.Korsów nr domu 182
rodzice :
ojciec Antoni Howorka syn Jana Howorka ,Agafia Kornecka
matka Maria Wowczuk córka Onufry Wowczuk,Maria Bordulak
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1910265
Parafia Leszniów katol.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... d%3A375232

Roman Catholic Church. Leszniów (Brody)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... %20Library
Korsów – wieś na Ukrainie w rejonie brodzkim należącym do obwodu lwowskiego
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kors% ... %2F06w60cp

I wojna Światowa 1914 zabór austriacko -węgierski
https://des.genealogy.net/ou1wk/search/index
Ludwig Howorka ur.1880 Korsów pow.Brody
jeniec wojenny Sibmirsk ,Rosja
https://des.genealogy.net/search/show/13941666

To zapewne osoby spokrewnione:
Korsow-Komorówka

Władysław Howorka ur.26 maj 1886r.Korsów nr domu 160
rodzice:
ojciec Franciszek Howorka syn Jana i Agafii
matka Melania Tratwinska córka Tomasza i Marii Hlebojko
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1910265

Adamus/Adam Howorka ur.04.12.1888r.Korsów-Komorówka nr domu 160
ojciec Stanisław Howorka syn Jana Howorka ,Hapka (Agafia/Agata ) Kornecka
matka Rosalia Biłek córka Andrzeja Biłek , Maria Michaluk
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1910265
Ahafia (zdrobniale: Hapka), czyli "po łacińsku" Agata.

Adam Howorka ur.18.09.1894r. Nr domu 160
Rodz.Franciszek Howorka ,Melania Dratwińska
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1910265

Michał Howorka ur.08.10.1891r.
rodz.Franciszek Howorka,Hapka Kornecka
nr domu 169
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1910265

Na familysearch ,sa roczniki z par.Leszniów niedostępne ,
w Centrum Rodziny nalezy szukać skanów

[ADrazyk]

Hi,

Tomek is right about both documents.
It seems that Adam Howorka did register for the military Service at the Polish Embassy or Consulate in Buenos Aries shortly after arriving to Argentina. He arrived to port of Marsella on the 08.09.1929 and registered for the military service on the 13.09.1929 and it could be required by the Polish law at that time.

https://zapodaj.net/0950d82bd4c65.png.html

https://zapodaj.net/24d50551ae83a.png.html

He was born in Korsów, powiat Brody ( currently Korsov near Brody, Lviv Oblast, Ukraine ) in 1910 as son of Ludwik Howorka and Okunja Wakozny ?
His act of birth should be in Korsov parish or in the Ukrainian State Archive in Lviv. It is worth to check out both records from the Roman catholic church as well as the Greek catholic church.

Is it your profile on MH website ?

Name Adam Howorka
Birth Корсів
Apr 8 1910
Korsów, Rejon brodzki, Lviv, Ucrania
Emigration 19 anos, soltero. Buque Alsina proveniente de Marseille
Sep 8 1929
Argentine
Death 1992
Guatimozin, Cordoba, Argentina
Family members
Parents
Ludnvik Howorka
Okeenke Howorka (née Stefanich)
Wife
Carmen Howorka (née D'alleva)
1919 - 1970
Child
<Private> Howorka
Source
Navarro Web Site
Updated on Mar 11 2023 (2 days ago)197 profiles in one family tree21 photos
View full profile in this site

Good luck and best wishes,
Antoni.

P.S. Ela jak zwykle bardzo szybka i bardzo pomocna !

[polaco54]

...Or all you have are the photos and trying to find the physical documents? If so they are likely coming from your family or maybe some archives in Argentina then....

Yes, this is the situation. I only have the copies, and there is nowhere to find the originals up until now.. The Consulate in Argentina responded with a negative, we also searched in the State Archives in Poland, but also, no results.
I tought that maybe could exist some online collection to explore. We hace researched for almost a year and a half looking fot the birth certificate both in Poland and Ukraine,but nothing. I only have the ship's passenger list, and Adam's passport, but saddly his passport is missing the first page and I was told that page is very important. So, I either find his birth act, or I have to find the originals of these documents... because I feel the documentation I have is not enough.

[swigut]

...Or all you have are the photos and trying to find the physical documents? If so they are likely coming from your family or maybe some archives in Argentina then....

Yes, this is the situation. I only have the copies, and there is nowhere to find the originals up until now.. The Consulate in Argentina responded with a negative, we also searched in the State Archives in Poland, but also, no results.
I tought that maybe could exist some online collection to explore. We hace researched for almost a year and a half looking fot the birth certificate both in Poland and Ukraine,but nothing. I only have the ship's passenger list, and Adam's passport, but saddly his passport is missing the first page and I was told that page is very important. So, I either find his birth act, or I have to find the originals of these documents... because I feel the documentation I have is not enough.

Where did you find the pictures? Start from there, identify who took them etc. The source is unlikely to be in Poland, unless the ancestor returned to Poland with them.

Does the consulate require a birth certificate copy that was issued to your ancestors, or will they accept one obtained contemporarily? My experience was that these things expire and you need a fresh copy with tax stamp for any official purpose anyway.

If latter, other people provided some viable clues where the record might be. If you have Argentinian birth certificates of children of the immigrants in question and the certificate states the names, birthdates and places of the parents, I think you should be able to go to the Polish consulate and request an official copy of the birth cert ("odpis aktu urodzenia") for your ancestors named as parents in that act. You could provide the additional info if you have it, but I think the consulate does the legwork for record search through local registrar offices on Poland. Basically you need a chain of birth certificates documenting the relationship, from you to your parents and then if your parents birth cert names their Polish parents in identifiable way, I think you should be able to file for official copy, I assume you are looking for the grandparents records.

Regarding passport - does the passport retain vital information? - name, birth date birthplace, issuing authority, passport number or was that info destroyed? Maybe the torn first page was a way to invalidate old one when newer was issued. Nowadays they punch a hole through. A legally invalidated passport could still be used I would think. Maybe someone here has more experience with consulates and birth certificates and would chime in

Tomek

[polaco54]

Where did you find the pictures? Start from there, identify who took them etc. The source is unlikely to be in Poland, unless the ancestor returned to Poland with them.

I have only the xerox copy, we don't have the original. Some relatives took all the documents from my family some years ago and when we got them back we believe some papers were missing. This is the case. We tried by all means to recover this document without success. Even asking to the consulate in Argentina, the Argentinian embassy in Warszawa... the Kraków state archive... nothing.

With respect to the birth act, the Polish Consulate in Argentina won't provide any help, we already asked.

The passport has the first page missing. That is the most important page because it hold the most valuable information.

Thanks for your answer Tomek.