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Stolarz - Biadoliny Radłowskie (Stolarczyk)

: czw 14 lip 2011, 17:51
autor: JStolarz
I have slowly but surely been tracing my paternal ancestry for the Stolarz family in Biadoliny Radłowskie, Poland. I am a third generation American, and have gotten back to my fourth great grandfather, Antoni Stolarczyk, who was probably born somewhere around 1768. I don't have a birth record for him, but with his first wife Marianna Dryzno, their first child Helena Marianna, was born in 1786, so it's a rough estimate. I do have information on many of the Stolarz who came from Biadoliny Radłowskie, so if you would like more information on the Stolarz from this down, just let me know.

For six generations we have used the surname, Stolarz without any spelling variation. It wasn't until Antoni Stolarczyk that I encountered this alternate spelling. I'm kind of curious as to know why it would have this alternate spelling, and what meaning I can take away from the "czyk" part of it. I know that Stolarz is a word in the Polish language that means "carpenter", so would it show something like he was the son of a carpenter? Just a guess, but I would love to hear some input on this.

Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: czw 14 lip 2011, 18:35
autor: Luziński_Marcin
You are more or less right. Stolarczyk means "a son of carpenter" or "carpenter's helper", generally something like "a little carpenter". Another important fact is that stolarz is a kind of carpenter who deals with furniture (stolarz comes from the word "stół", which stands for "a table").

Regards,

ML

Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: czw 14 lip 2011, 23:40
autor: RobertK
Marianna Dryzno was born in Biadoliny - 6th of April 1760
Her parents : Wojciech (Adalberti ) and Teresa (Theresiae) Dryzno

Two possibilities for name " Antoni Stolarczyk"
1.Antoni Stolarczyk was born in Biadoliny - 27th of may 1760
His parents : Jakób (Jacobi) and Katarzyna (Catharinae) Stolarczyk

2.Antoni Jan (Antonium Joannem) Stolarczyk was born in Biadoliny - 9th of June 1760
His parents : Antoni and Marianna (Mariannae)Stolarczyk

Regards
Robert

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: pt 15 lip 2011, 07:13
autor: JStolarz
Just wondering what sources you have for those being Antoni Stolarczyk's parents names, and Marianna's parents names, since the church record microfilms I've been looking at don't go back that far. Not to mention finding it that easily haha.

After finding Antoni's death record I did determine he was 52 when he died, putting his birth year in 1760. The question now would be...how do I figure out which is the correct Antoni Stolarczyk. Up to this point I've never seen Jan make it into his name, so logic would cause me to lean toward the other one. Finding a marriage record for Antoni and Marianna might be helpful, as well as comparing the house numbers between the two, to where the rest of the family tended to live.

As far as I'm aware, LDS has only microfilmed the records in Biadoliny back to 1784. Which has been the only thing I've had access to for information. If you have additional sources I would love to know what they are. I tried using some of the searches on this website, but haven't located anything so far.

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: pt 15 lip 2011, 21:35
autor: RobertK
My sources are records of parish in Wojnicz from before 1784 year.
Since year 1784 all records have been recorded for every village separately.
Till year 1784 records have been recorded together for all villages from parish in Wojnicz.
Records from years 1675-1712 and 1757-1784 still exist.
Records till year 1776 were issued in last years (8 volumes).
I'm waiting for issuing records from years 1777-1784. .
Biadoliny earlier belonged to parish Wojnicz.

Regards Robert
P.S. - sorry for my English ;)

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: sob 16 lip 2011, 03:43
autor: JStolarz
Excellent information. So are you finding this information on a microfilm through LDS, or from another source? Are they only on microfilm or are they available from an online resource? If they are on microfilm, would you happen to know what the microfilm numbers are that I would need? I apologize for all the questions, I just tend to be a thorough person haha. Not to mention, how did you pull up that information so quick haha.

No need to apologize for your English. You type better than a lot of Americans I know. Besides, I really don't know any Polish, though I would love to learn.

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: sob 16 lip 2011, 10:09
autor: RobertK
I don't know anything about microfilms.
All these records were issued as a books (with indexes of names of course – then it is easy to find any information).
I have all of them at home.

List of books :

„Liber baptisatorum 1675-1712. Part 1” - issued in Wojnicz in 2006 year
„Liber baptisatorum 1675-1712. Part 2” - issued in Wojnicz in 2006 year
„Liber contrahentium matrimonium 1675-1712” - issued in Wojnicz in 2006 year
„Liber mortuorum 1675-1704” issued in Wojnicz in 2006 year
„Liber baptisatorum 1757-1776. Part 1” - issued in Wojnicz in 2008 year
„Liber baptisatorum 1757-1776. Part 2” - issued in Wojnicz in 2008 year
„Liber copulatorum 1757-1776” - issued in Wojnicz in 2008 year
„Liber mortuorum 1757-1776" - issued in Wojnicz in 2008 year

The oldest birth record with name „Stolarczyk”:

22 June 1689
„Idem qui supra baptistavi Margaretham laboriosi Laurentii Stolarczyk et Catharinae conigum legitimorum filium de Villa Biadoliny(..)”

Regards
Robert

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: sob 16 lip 2011, 16:14
autor: JStolarz
Wow, that is way to convenient for doing research. Where did you buy them, and how could I go about getting them myself?

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: sob 16 lip 2011, 23:11
autor: RobertK
These books have been selling only by editor of these publications (in Wojnicz).
The first four volumes from year 2006 are unfortunately not available.
I'll try to ask the publisher for next four volumes (2008) in nearest few weeks.

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: ndz 17 lip 2011, 01:42
autor: JStolarz
So it sounds like, there isn't a chance for me to get a hold of any copies. That's unfortunate. You have the books from 2006 though, correct? It seems like there has to be a way for me to get copies used or something. Having that information would be incredibly valuable to me.

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: ndz 17 lip 2011, 02:01
autor: Sroczyński_Włodzimierz
"So it sounds like, there isn't a chance for me to get a hold of any copies"
copies of books?
http://bn.org.pl/en/services/interlibrary-loans/
http://alpha.bn.org.pl/search~S5*pol?/c ... 0&1%2C8%2C

copy of rerords?
contact with archive
http://www.archiwum.diecezja.tarnow.pl/ ... &Itemid=32

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: wt 26 lip 2011, 17:20
autor: JStolarz
Thank you very much for the links. Hopefully I can locate the information I need.

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: pt 05 sie 2011, 05:30
autor: JStolarz
Well I've been trying to piece together which Antoni Stolarz is the correct one according to RobertK's post. Unfortunately my information is limited as far as how far back the records go. The only thing I could think of trying was to check and see who died in house number 11 (The house my family seems to be living in), and would be old enough. The only one that came up was a Marianna Stolarka, age 80, who died 27th Nov. 1798. Unfortunately Marianna is an extremely common name, so it's by no means solid evidence that she was Antoni Stolarczyk's mother.

It also appears that Antoni Stolarczyk may have remarried. I'm unable to find a death record for Marianna Dryzno though, so I'm not sure what happened to her. The last child that Antoni and Marianna had though, is born in 1792. Then I show an Antoni Stolarczyk marrying a Sophia Siudut on the 19th Jan 1795, in house number 11. Now according to the death records, I don't find another Antoni Stolarczyk dying in house number 11, except for the one I found in 1812. Then there is a Sophia Stolarka who dies on 15 Feb. 1828...who may be the original Sophia Siudut. It's hard to say though.

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: pt 05 sie 2011, 10:17
autor: RobertK
Read my private message on your mail, please.

Robert

RE: Stolarz to Stolarczyk

: wt 09 sie 2011, 17:29
autor: JStolarz
Your message wasn't showing up in my inbox at first, so I first sent you one saying I didn't get one...then I managed to find your message somehow and I replied to that one.