Stachak/Studlik from Polanka Wielka/Osiek k.Oswiecim/Inwald

[jeffzmichigan]

Hello all,

I don't speak Polish.

My great-great-grandfather was Ignacy Stachak. He was born July 23, 1873 in Polanka Wielka.

He had two sisters that I know of. One, Agniezska Stachak, born 1866 in Polanka Wielka (she married Jan Sporysz in Osiek in 1889). And Rosalia Stachak, born 1882 in Osiek kolo Oswiecim.

Ignacy' parents were Jakub Stachak and Agniezska Studlik. Jakub died 1911 in Malec. Agnieszka died 1923 in Malec. I do not know when they were born, or married or where.

However, their parents names were: Pawel Stachak and Teresa Malok (from "the area" of Andrychow) and Sebatian Studlik and Agata Bury (from "the area of" Inwald) - that was as specific as the baptismal records got, but presumably, they were from the areas of Inwald and/or Andrychow. I am not sure what churches existed there then, in 1860s or so.

Can any one help me, or know anyone from the area who could? I have contacted the parishes in Andrychow and Inwald, and sent a donation, but did not hear anything back, it is very difficult since I do not know Polish, and also don't know anyone who can translate for me.

Thank you!
Jeff

[piotr_nojszewski]

Dzer Jeff,
I'm not the expert for Małopolska and Bielko-Żywiec region. The places you look are located in Diocese Bielsko Biała (previously Diocese in Kraków).
As far as I know they are not indexed and the books are not available online.
And it looks like very little of it is in State Archives (mostly Katowice in this case).
So you have to look in Parishes and Diocesan Archives.
Unfortunately in practice it requires physical presence (they to offer a service like search for ancestors). Or you have to find someone who done it before.


here is some discussion about the Andrychów Parish
http://www.forgen.pl/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3w#p122369

It looks like the Diocesan Archive in Kraków has or had for Andrychów:
B:1814-1855, 1880-1888,
M: 1814-1848, 1850-1855, 1880-1888,
D: 1814-1855, 1880-1885.

The USC (Civil Registration Office) has probably marriages since 1890.

Here pls find some discussion about the Diocese Bielsko-Zywiec
http://genealodzy.pl/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... t-15.phtml
It looks like the books were probably digitalised but you can access them only on-site.

You can also try here
http://www.forum-mtg.pl/

Summary in one sentence:
- looks line you need local help in this case.

[jeffzmichigan]

Thanks so much, Piotr!

I am hoping... that someone from these areas finds these posts and might be able to help.

The Diocesan Archive you mentioned for Andrychow - is that... microfilmed? And where is available? Those would be the correct years probably, for the people I need.

Dzieki!!

[piotr_nojszewski]

I doubt it's microfilmed.
The archive is located in Kraków.
http://genealodzy.pl/index.php?name=Web ... ink&cid=40

There is a possibility that there are 2 copies of the books one in the Parish one in the Archive.

[Lipnik.F.Turas]

a z kolei ja nie znam angielskiego czyli ktoś musi pomóc.
Ksiegi metrykalne napewno są w parafi. I watpie czy sa mikrofilmy
z tego terenu. w archiwach jak juz to zdjecia odpisów ksiag w archiwum
Krakowskim koscielnym na ul.
Franciszkanskiej. tyletylko ,że bez wizyty osobiscie na odległosc nic nie załatwisz.
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Archiwum diecezji Bielsko-zywieckiej nie ma nic
nie dorobiło sie zbiorów
jan
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po chwili doszukałem namiary na parafie
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http://diecezja.bielsko.pl/parafia/134, ... o_mikolaja
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http://diecezja.bielsko.pl/dekanat/osiecki
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http://diecezja.bielsko.pl/parafia/38,i ... dzenia_nmp
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http://diecezja.bielsko.pl/dekanat/andrychowski
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jedna z parafi jest na faceboku-konkretnie inwald
moze pomoga dalej
szukac danych
jan

[piotr_nojszewski]

This is just the summary of the post of Jan.
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Jan wrote that that the books are for sure in the parish.
He doubts the microfilms exist. In his opinion the photos of the books can be available in the archive in Kraków.
Nothing in Bielsko-Zywiec diocese.
Do get the material someone has to visit the places in person. It does not work remotely.

Jan added to his post links to the Parishes. Inwald is present on Facebook. He suggest they could answer your question there.

I will add that Jan is an experienced guy. He has been researching this area for some time.

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PS
Janie,
streściłem Twój post. Zainteresowany pewnie podziękuje Ci osobiście.

[Lipnik.F.Turas]

To jeszcze dotłumacz reszte bo podesłałem linki
moze przez faceboka uda sie mu pomóc. i potłumaczyc jego pytania
jan

[piotr_nojszewski]

Dopisałem.
Ale on pisał do par. Andrychów i Inwald. A nawet wysyłał pieniądze. Zero odzewu jak pisze.

Generalnie on szuka przodków takich par
Pawel Stachak i Teresa Malok (okolice Andrychowa)
Sebatian Studlik i Agata Bury (okolice Inwaldu)
nie zna dat zapewne chodzi o lata około 1840 z dużą rozpietością.
Ich wnuki rodziły się wg niego w latach 1866-82.
Wnuki były z małżeństwa
Jakub Stachak i Agnieszka Studlik. Jakub zm 1911 a Agnieszka zm 1923 oboje w msc. Malec
data i msc małżeństwa nieznane.
Wnuki rodziły się w Polance Wielkiej i Osieku k. Oświęcimia.

[Lipnik.F.Turas]

on cos zle liczy
ile miały te zmarłe osoby lat
gdzie ten Malec?
slub urodziny tej pary to moze 1840 slub około 1860
to dzieci a nie wnuki 1860-66
stad moze nikt mu nie odpowiada bo nie maja takich danych
albo nie moga rozczytac. wtym czasie ksiegi sa pisane kaligraficznym nieczytelnym pismem
i moze dlatego nie dostaje odpowiedzi bo nie moga odczytac a w podanym okresie nie widza wnuków. Niech policzy jeszcze raz
o jakie daty chodzi. Zobacze moze uda sie w ciagu 2-3 tygodni dodzwonic do tych parafii tylko niech pomysli dokładnie co wie
niech pisze na priv jak sie boi podawac nazwiska
jan
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ps bo to moga byc podobne zapisy z tego czasu
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http://lipnik-janm.strefa.pl/26.html
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http://lipnik-janm.strefa.pl/82.html
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i nikt tego nie moze rozczytac
przyznaj ze sam bys sie zastanawiał
od ksiegi galicyjskie
jan

[jeffzmichigan]

Hi Piotr,

I'm not sure exactly what is being said... but, can you please transmit these images?

These came from the parish priest in Osiek in 2011. He quit answering letters and emails in 2011, so I don't know what happened, but he sent these before he quit, and it is from these that I know the info I know:
Agnieszka baptismal record:

Ignatius baptismal record:

Rozalia baptismal record:


And finally, this tree shows everything I know so far... I put the dates in Polish format:


Please explain to him no further ifnormation is known about other children of Jakub and Agnieszka, but I would be interested in that information (as well as further information about Rosalia, for instance, marriage or children), and of course, further information about ancestors.

Thanks!

[piotr_nojszewski]

He will understand very well.
BTW
The name of Ignacy (Ignatius) is not Ignacy Jakób.
He was baptised as Ignacy Loyola. After this saint.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Loyola
So the given name is just Ignacy.

You have also one interesting difference in the name of the father: Stachak - Stachura. Both names exist around Wadowice. But there are probably less then 200 people with name Stachak in Poland.
As the names of the parents are the same it looks like the same person but its a bit strange.

[jeffzmichigan]

Ignatius went by "Ignatius Jacob" here in the US, so I never know for sure which way to put his name. No one on this side of the US knew his baptismal name was "Ignatius Loyola" after the saint, until just a couple years ago, when this was discovered.

I noticed that strangeness as well, between Stachak and Stachura. However, Agnieszka Stachak (1866) is definitely the sister of Ignacy (1873).... as her son, Joseph Sporysz, came to the US also, and lived with my great-grandmother, until his death in 1975. But, his original city was never transmitted through the generations, which lead to the inability to trace it back to Poland until recently.

I am very interested to find out more about the name, and the ancestors, etc. And finding a relative living in Poland... would be wonderful also!

[Lipnik.F.Turas]

Rosalia Born ?[1882]
w Bielany !!!! chyba nie Bielsko nie Biała
died
1928
fater Jacob kowal sonn Paul Stachak i Teresa z domu Malak
mater Agnes =Agnieszka córka Sebastian Studlik i Agaty z domu =nata Bury
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To chyba te bielany
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http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielany_(w ... 2opolskie)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielany,_L ... oivodeship
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Nad zapisem o Rozali jest wycinek ze dziecko chrzci proboszcz bielanensis
Przy zawodzie np wędrowny kowal nie dziwi że dzieci rodza sie w różnych miejsowosciach ale cały czas w promieniu 30-40 km
no i wiemy na mapce jest ten Malec
jan

[jeffzmichigan]

Piotr - please explain to Jan that the entry just above Rosalia is in the parish of Bielany. But that is NOT for her. When the priest sent the image, he neglected to completely cover up the image above it, and the picture was also taken at an angle making it difficult to cut out information that does not apply to Rosalia.

[Lipnik.F.Turas]

Jeff
For sure this is not the parish bielany ?
is this
Inwałd?
Andrychów ?
Ok.
Johnn
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ferii faber=kowal=iron smith ?
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Malec
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http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malec_(woj ... 2opolskie)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malec,_Les ... oivodeship
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Osiek
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http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiek_(pow ... %99cimski)
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