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Witam panowie!
Przykro mi, ale ja niestety nie znam polskiego, więc piszę z Google Translator.
Szukam informacji o swoich krewnych Polaków na Łotwie. Piotr Lukaszewicz miał syna, Justin. Ożenił Sophia Miklazewicz i mieli dzieci :. Andrew ożenił Wicentyna Lutinska. Mieli córkę Lucia i jego synowie Wicenty i Edwarda. Wicenty i Edward były represje w czasach ZSRR. Moja prababka Lucia miała dwie córki.
Wiele rzeczy mogę nauczyć od Raduraksti. O ile dobrze wiedzieli, że od szlachty i mieszczaństwa. Prawie nic nie wiem o Lyutinskih, jak i gdzie urodził się Peter. Możesz pomóc proszę?
Dziękuję!

Hi there,

Can you give any details? Where and when exactly were your folks born? What denomination? Why don't you embed links to the records? Otherwise it's hard to come up with any suggestions.

To start with: the Lutyńskis come from the central Lithuania. Łukaszewicz/Łukasiewicz is a very common surname. See the Geneteka on this website.

Marek

Thank you very much Pan Marek for replying.
Everything I discovered I added to Geni. Here is the link of Justyn profile - https://www.geni.com/people/Justyn-%C5% ... 7143819821

My relatives borned in Vitebsk Gubernia near Daugavpils. Now it belongs to Latvia. Justyn Łukaszewicz had many sons and daughters: Andrzei,
Ludwig, Terese, Karolina, Emilia, Amalia (I am not sure if this is same as Emilia as they both borned near 1882-1885), Alojzy, Wicenty and Kazimierz.
Wife of Justyn was Sofia Miklasewicz. In some metrics they appear as from mieszczaństwa in others as nobles. Some other things I discovered from 1897 Russia Empire census such as the name of father of Justyn - Piotr. I that region I found other Lukaszewicz but I am not sure they are related to me. There is for example Karol Lukaszewicz who's father was Piotr, he may be Justin's brother.

In 1907 Wicentyna died because of dicease and Andrzei (Son of Justyn) moved to Saint-Petersburg with his children - Lucia, Wicenty and Edward (or Eduard). Lucia married Domynikas Tubelis (my Lithuanian great grandfather, I discovered a lot of family from his side). Later in 1937-1938 Domynikas, Wicenty and Eduard were repressed and killed by soviets. Lucia had daughter Janina and Regina, Janina is my grandmother..

I know more about Lukaszewicz than about Lutyńskis, but wife of Andrzei (my great great grandfather) was Wicentyna Lutynska and name of her father was Wicenty (also discovered from census). I have family in Saint-Petersburg and they are Lutynski but we don't know how we are related (I mean my great great grandmother the wife of Andrzei was Lutynska but we don't know exacly how related we are, because their relative was Jan Lutynskis and he borned in Liwdaniski near Aglona in Latvia but I haven't find that in metrics, I know that because he was repressed).

Thank you for tips, in this site I have found some Lutynskis from Lithuania but don't know who they are. But anyway, I will try to find more things in Lithuania then, I also tried myheritage. Łukaszewicz is indeed a common surname and it is a problem because it is hard to distiguish who are related to me or not.

So I am interested in origins of Piotr (father of Justyn) and in origins of Wicentyna (wife of Andrzei)...

Here are some links to documents I found, I also added them to Geni as may others:
Census:
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Metrics about birth of Lucia (daughter of Andrzei) act 29:
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Metrics about birth of Wicenty (son of Andrzei) act 59:
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Metrics about death of Wicentyna (wife of Andrzei) act 53::
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Metrics about bitrh of Amalia (sister of Andrzei, daughter of Justyn) act 97:
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Metrics about some marriages of Justyn children acts 22 and 23:
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OK., so:

1. The wife of Justyn was born Lityńska (not Lutyńska)! The Lityńskis were petty nobility who settled in the area some time at the turn of the eighteenth and nineteenth century and you will find quite a number of records related to this family in the eastern part of the Lower Dynaburg and western part of Rzeżyca-Raźno deaneries all throughout the period covered by the registers available on Raduraksti:
http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/l ... /2505.html
and
http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/l ... /2507.html

Browse mainly these parishes: Birżagoł, Agłona, Nidermujża, Prele, Jasmujża, Ruszona, both Duksztygałs, Rozentów, Andzelmujża, Bukmujża. This area was settled by petty nobility who in the first half of the nienteenth century leased land from large landowners. With the abolishment of serfdom in 1861 and pursuant radical changes in social structure and ownership relations, many of them lost means of support and moved to cities. That's why after, say, 1875 look for them in Dyneburg and smaller towns in the area. The surname is rather uncommon in today's Lithuania, so my guess is they might have migrated to Latgale from the adjacent areas of Belarus. But that's just a guess.
The same concerns all other families that appear in your records, the Łukaszewiczs inclusive.

2. As to the social status, in short. After the partitions of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth the Russian authorities demanded all nobility to prove their titles to the noble status. Since the authorities regarded this class as untrustworthy and dangerous, the goal in mind was to deprive these people of the privileges they enjoyed previously. The process went in stages: at first all nobility kept their status. Between 1830 and 1868 many of these families were moved either to the so-called class of yednodvortsy or peasants. In 1863 the class of yendodvorsty was abolished and the people who belonged there were given the choice to join either the class of burghers or peasants. And that's what you see in the records. There's a number of publications on this, but mostly in Polish and Belarussian. You may start with this:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0 ... 1%82%D1%8B

3. The correct spelling of the Zofia's maiden surname is Mikłaszewicz. Also, I think there is a mistake in the record and her daughter's given name was Amelia, which is different from Emilia.

What's your native language?

Marek

I saw different forms and thought that it was the same but thank you for correcting that it's Lityńska. I saw this family mostly in Berzgales Rezeknes, but can't figure out how they are related to me, but I will check thouse parishes you wrote.

The best would be find metrics about Andrjei and Wicentyna marriage, so I would be able to discover the name of her mother and where they lived and other relatives. As I discovered they had first daughter Lucia, my great grandmother in 1896, so I think they married in 1894-1896, but I didn't find anything in Dyneburg, Kraslava (the place they lived after 1897 I guess), Agłona and Birżagoł. Although, I found metrics about marriage of Andrzei's sisters and brothers in Agłona and Birżagoł.

I read somewhere that there was a book where all burghers were registered. In russian it is "Городовая обывательская книга", but I don't know if there is one for Dyneburg.

In the record it is Amalia, but from census there is also Emilia and she is younger but there is not Amalia, maybe she married and moved.

My native language is Russian but I live in Portugal.

Yan

I'm pretty sure the surname is Lityńska, because I once looked through all those registers and came across numerous records with this surname. Part of my family resided there for over two hundred years. Chances are the Lityńskis filed a pedigree with the Committee for Validation of Nobility around 1800, if they already resided in Latgale at this time. The problem is no one knows exactly where these files are today. Before WWII they supposedly were kept in Vilnius.

Krasław is not the right place. Search where I suggested.

Don't rely unconditionally on the contents of the 1897 Census formularies. They were recorded by agents who were casual people not knowing the families they were visiting. My feeling is these forms were sometimes filled in in a hurry.

There certainly existed registers of burghers for each town, but I never saw one, nor ever heard of them being published on the net. Even if some are preserved no one mentions them. Of great help here would be the Reviznyje Skazki, but those for Dyneburg seem to be lost – at least that's what they suggest on the Raduraksti.

You may publish posts here in Russian. Some members of this forum are fluent in the language.

All the best with your research
Marek

Witam. Jeśli chodzi o Lutyńskich to mogą być zapisani jako Zalutyński, Lutyński, Lutejski. . Jeśli pan zanjdzie na stronie komedy głownej policji listę katyńską, to spotka pan się z nazwiskiem Lutyński Wacław, Lutyński Józef - zamorodowany w Charkowie oraz Lutyński Eugeniusz zamorodowany w Katyniu, pochodził z Dzisny. Jeśli szuka pan większej wiedzy o rodzinie Lutyńskich to proszę o kontakt, mój stryjek mieszkający w NY posiada trochę większą wiedzę. Pozdrawiam Agata Lutyńska - Korenkiewicz