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Hi!

I was just referred to your site by the New York State Archives. We have a family member who is related to a Bronislawa Cholewa from Poland.

We would like to compare info to verify if ours is the one on your site. Your site info is:


Rok [Year]: 1885
Akt: 2
Imię [First Name]: Bronisława
Nazwisko [Surname]: Cholewa
Imię ojca [Father’s Name]: Jan
Imię matki [Mother’s name]: Anna
Nazwisko matki [Mother’s surname]: Czajkowska [family name would be the masculine, “Czajkowski”]
Parafia [Parish]: Miedzna
Miejscowość [Locality]: Zieleźniki


Our Bronislawa Cholewa immigrated to America and married John Rainis. She died in 1944 in New York state. We would love to find out if the above listing is ours!

We would be glad to share the research we have.

If you can help me, or direct me to someone else who can, I would be most appreciative.

Thank you SO much![/b]

You're lucky, here's her birth certificate (lower document, "no.2"):

https://szukajwarchiwach.pl/62/192/0/1/ ... RoC0YyPhSQ

Skorzystaj z Geneteki:

http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... =&to_date=

http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... rdertable=

http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... rdertable=

Thank you SO much!!

Do you think they are one and the same? I have an Bronislawa Cholewa passenger record where she is immigrating. The birth date there is listed as 1884. The birth date on your website, as well as her tombstone, is 1885.

We are unsure if these two listings -- the ship record and the one on your website are two different young women or one and the same.

Do you think "your" Bronislawa is ours?! We hope so!!

If they are the same person, we would be glad to send you some things.

We are SO appreciative and grateful for your sharing and help!!!!

Do USA plyna 3 Bronislawy:
1. Cholewa, Bronislawa Rabka, Galina 21 1883-1884 1905
2. Cholewa, Bronislawa Fink, Galicia 21 1891-1892 1913
3. Cholewa, Bronislana USA 1 1904-1905 1906

Ad.1 Bronislawa plynie w 1905 do Franciszka Kubinski?, pochodzi z Rabki, Galicja.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabka-Zdr%C3%B3j
Ad.2 Bronislawa plynie w 1913 do brata Stanislawa, pochodza ze wsi Fiuk, Galicja.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiuk
Ad.3 Bronislawa plynie w 1906 wraz z rodzicami i rodzenstwem, ma 1 rok.
Pochodza z miejscowosci Wola jada do brata ojca - Marcina Cholewy, Pa.
Ktora Wola - nie wiem.

Ktora z nich jest Twoja ?

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Again, thank you SO much!

I think I have some of the below; I got them from ancestry.com. I am just not sure which one is "ours".

Is there a way I can attach some documents to send to you? I am not sure how to do it on this website.

I can send you the US censuses, cemetery info and tombstone photo.

You are most kind and we are most appreciative!

Dokumenty i zdjecia mozesz zalaczyc na forum przez:
https://zapodaj.net/
https://www.google.com/intl/de_ALL/drive/
https://wetransfer.com/downloads/a34561 ... 743/719745
Moze ktos cos w j. angielskim dolaczy.

cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/797 ... awa-rainis

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Hi!

If you have sent a reply, I am sorry I have not received it.

Do you have the censuses, city directories, etc. for John and Bronislawa Cholewa Rainis from ancestry.com? If not, I will be glad to send them to you.

Photos: The granddaughters are going to go to their parents and get some scanned to send you. They do not have any of John and Bronislawa, their great-grandparents, but they do have some of their son, also named John, and his family.

We are all SO excited and grateful to have found you!

Thank you for so generously sharing with us. We will work hard to find things to share with you!

Fran

Fran,
Musisz odnalezc Bronislawy - Naturalization - w tym dokumencie moze byc podana dokladna
data urodzenia oraz nazwa miejscowosci w ktorej sie ona urodzila.
Cos takiego:
https://zapodaj.net/e485df29ff559.jpg.html
W akcie slubu tez powinno byc podane miejsce urodzenia ale z tym roznie bywalo poza granicami
kraju.
Chyba chodzi o to aby odnalezc akt urodzenia wlasciwej Bronislawy, Twojej prababci.
Koniecznie nalezy szukac w USA dokumentow ktore beda zawieraly wiecej informacji
o jej miejscu pochodzenia w Polsce. Jak bedziemy to mieli wowczas bedziemy szukac
w Polsce jej aktu urodzenia i rodziny.

Nie mam dostepu do ancestry.

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Did the US censuses load and get to you?

If not, I will see if our daughter can help me.

It is wonderful it offers translations. The problem is some of the site translates to English and others do not. I have loaded the censuses and checked for them to go to the "forum". I am just not sure I am clicking all the right buttons for them to load since some of the instructions are still in Polish.

Please let me know and if they did not, I will see if our daughter can help me out. She does not speak Polish either but she is far better at computers than I am!

Thank you SO much for your patience! We will get them to you as soon as we can!

Fran

lee_9876 pisze: Rok [Year]: 1885
Akt: 2
Imię [First Name]: Bronisława
Nazwisko [Surname]: Cholewa
Imię ojca [Father’s Name]: Jan
Imię matki [Mother’s name]: Anna
Nazwisko matki [Mother’s surname]: Czajkowska [family name would be the masculine, “Czajkowski”]
Parafia [Parish]: Miedzna
Miejscowość [Locality]: Zieleźniki[/b]

Znaleziona przez Ciebie Bronislawa - NIE jest Twoja Bronislawa !!!
ta zmarla jako niemowle majac 1 miesiac:
1886 15 Bronisława Cholewa Jan Anna Czajka Miedzna Zieleźniki
http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php ... rdertable=

Odszukaj w America akt slubu, moze beda podane imiona rodzicow Bronislawy.

Prawdopodobnie to bedzie Bronislawa ktora plynela w 1905 r. z Rabki
do Kubinskiego Franciszka ze Skawy. Kubinski plynal w roku 1903.
manifest, poz. 5
https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ ... cGciOw==/1
Rabka i Skawa to sasiednie miejscowosci.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabka-Zdr%C3%B3j#Historia
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skawa_(wie%C5%9B)

Metryk z Rabki nie ma online ale sa lata:
Kopie metryk parafii RABKA URODZENIA I CHRZTY Lata: 1815-1820,1823-1826,1828-1837,1839 -1842,1845 -1853,
1870 -1881,1883 -1884
sa w Archiwum Kurii Metropolitalnejw Krakowie.
https://archiwum.diecezja.pl/wp-content ... tualny.pdf
Niestety brak roku 1885 i wyzej.

Jak beda znane imiona jej rodzicow bedziesz mogl starac sie o akt urodzenia.

W spisach ludnosci w USA raczej nie podawano miejsca urodzenia.

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So very sorry this is delayed. Previously the forum translated your messages. Now, even though I click the English/American flag for it to translate, it does not. Finally, I found a website that will do translations. I got your last two forum replies translated.

Bronislawa Cholewa on your website: I understand now this poor little girl died as a very young child.

1905 Ellis Island passenger list: I understand this is probably "ours". I have it but did not know if it was her or not.

US Censuses: I have tried send them to you. I can load them through zapodaj but part of the site is in English and part in Polish. I am going to have to get some help to insure I am doing it right and you are getting them!

Citizenship: I have checked with the National Archives and they said citizenship forms can -- or cannot have - the hometowns. This is what we are really needing to further research.

In the 1940 census, John Rainis is listed as having an application pending. Bronislawa does not.

The expected wait time to get one is 4-6 months.

Alien Registration: During WWII, every non-US citizen had to fill out this form. It is complicated. The National Archives encourages people to first order an index of all such related immigrant forms. They say if one orders a specific form, it may not be there but there may be others that are.

Again, the estimate wait time is 4-6 months.

Thank you, once more for your patience. We are SO appreciative. I am really trying but just do not understand the Polish parts of the site.

I will try to see if I can get someone to help me load the US censuses as attachments.

Again, thanks SO very much!

Fran

Fran,
Spokojnie, bez pospiechu
Musimy wiedziec wiecej aby odszukac wlasciwa Bronislawe, Twoja Bronislawe !
Koniecznie musisz zdobyc imiona jej rodzicow, powinni byc wymienieni w akcie
malzenstwa z John'em.

Moj post dobrze zrozumiales

Grazyna

Jest jeszcze kolejna Bronisława Cholewa
Książnice
Książnice – wieś w Polsce położona w województwie podkarpackim, w powiecie mieleckim, w gminie Mielec.

4.
Bronislawa Cholevia
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924
birth:
1890
residence:
K...a, Galicia
immigration:
22 listopad 1910
Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
other:
Tels?A Chodera, Jan Cholewa

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JJ6N-BJS


Cholevia Bronislawa lat 20,do NY,panna -na liście wpisana Cholewa,Korawnica?,Mielec,Galicia,Austria
płynie do ojca Jana Cholewa do NY
ID 1046750300042
15.11.1910r z Bremen w New York 22.11.1910r.
Kua...zniec ?.Austria ,Galicia
l.p. 12 na liście pasażerów
https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ ... cGciOw==/1

druga strona listy,ojciec Jan Cholewa,matka Telaga? Cholewa
https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ ... cGciOw==/1

z tej samej miejscowości płyną lp.13 i 14
Skowron Helena lat 25 ,do męża Maciej Skowron ,Webster,Mass
córka Heleny-Józefa lat 7


Jan Cholewa lat 37,żonaty
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924
birth:
1866
residence:
Ksiazuice,Książnice,Mielec
immigration:
30 April 1903
Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
other:szwagier
Josef Nicowski
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JF5V-96L

lp.17
https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ ... cGciOw==/1

Elu,
Dzieki, czyli mamy do kolekcji czwarta Bronislawe
Ona pochodzi z Krzemienicy (powiat mielecki) - tak odczytuje.
Akurat tego nazwiska na poludniu jest cala masa, tylko z Rabki emigruje wiele osob o tym
nazwisku (Cholewa/Holewa).
Frank nie podal roku zawarcia malzenstwa, bardzo by sie przydal rok urodzenia pierwszego dziecka,
te informacje by zawezily lata wyjazdu z kraju. Nie wspomne juz o imionach jej rodzicow ktore akt
malzenstwa powinien zawierac.
Mam nadzieje, ze postara sie o te podstawowe dane.
Moze nie wszystko rozumie o czym my tutaj piszemy, wyswietlen jest cala masa ale
nikt nie ma ochoty przetlumaczyc podstawowych informacji na j. angielski
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Ciekawa jestem czy ponizszy census z roku 1930 dotyczy rodziny Bronislawy
czyli Fran'a ?
Name John Rainis
Ereignistyp Census
Ereignisdatum 1930
Ereignisort Binghamton, Broome, New York, United States
Geschlecht Male
Alter 44
Familienstand Married
Rasse White
Rasse White
Verhältnis zum Haushaltsvorstand Head
Verhältnis zum Haushaltsvorstand Head
Geburtsjahr (geschätzt) 1886
Geburtsort Lithuania
Einwanderungsjahr 1907
Geburtsort des Vaters Lithuania
Geburtsort der Mutter Lithuania
Blatt (Buchstaben) B
Blattnummer 17
Haushalt
Aufgabe
Geschlecht
Alter
Geburtsort
John Rainis Head M 44 Lithuania
Bronislawa Rainis Wife F 42 Poland
John Rainis Son M 17 New York
Mary Rainis Daughter F 15 New York
Wanda Rainis Daughter F 9 New York
Stephen Rainis Son M 7 New Yor
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1810731

Jesli tak to by znaczylo, ze maz pochodzi z Litwy a pierwsze dziecko John rodzi sie ok 1913 r. czyli slub 1913 lub wczesniej.
Z tego wynika, ze pod uwage musimy brac dwie Bronislawy, chociaz ta druga troche mloda:
1. Cholewa, Bronislawa Rabka, Galina 21 1883-1884 1905
2. (czwarta) Cholevia, Bronislawa K...a*, Galicia 20 1889-1890 1910

* Książnice lub Krzemienica (powiat mielecki)
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksi%C4%85 ... karpackie)
lub
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzemieni ... _mielecki)

czytam orginal census'a a tam stoi, ze Bronislawa przybyla do
USA w 1905 r. czyli to bedzie ta z Rabki

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